Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

02/01/2022 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS

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*+ HB 245 POLITICAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMITS TELECONFERENCED
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*+ HB 234 POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION LIMITS TELECONFERENCED
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         HB 245-POLITICAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION LIMITS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:06:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced that the first order of business                                                                 
would be HOUSE BILL NO. 245, "An Act relating to political                                                                      
contribution limits; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:07:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOSEPHSON,  Alaska   State  Legislature,   prime                                                               
sponsor,  introduced   HB  245.    He   paraphrased  the  sponsor                                                               
statement  [included  in the  committee  packet],  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     HB 245  restores reasonable and common-sense  limits on                                                                    
     how much  money individuals  and groups  can contribute                                                                    
     to  political candidates  in State  elections. Alaskans                                                                    
     have repeatedly  shown a preference  for low  limits on                                                                    
     contributions to  candidate, and  in the absence  of HB
     245, or  similar legislation, contributions  may become                                                                    
     limitless     in    upcoming     elections.    Campaign                                                                    
     contributions  are one  of the  most obvious  ways that                                                                    
     wealthy  individuals and  corporations  try to  corrupt                                                                    
     politicians to  serve their  interests rather  than the                                                                    
     interests  of  all  Alaskans. Alaska  has  historically                                                                    
     recognized  this  risk  in campaign  contributions  and                                                                    
     since  1973 has  restricted  how  much individuals  can                                                                    
     donate to politicians.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Between  2006 and  2021,  Alaska  Statutes placed  that                                                                    
     limits at $500  over the course of a  calendar year. In                                                                    
     2021, however,  the United Stated Court  of Appeals for                                                                    
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     the 9   Circuit ruled that  limit unconstitutional. The                                                                    
     Court  argued  that  because $500  was  unusually  low,                                                                    
     applied to  all state  races, and  was not  indexed wit                                                                    
     inflation  to  grow over  time,  that  it infringed  on                                                                    
     donors   freedom   of  speech   and  gave   and  unfair                                                                    
     advantage  to  incumbents.  In  the  aftermath  of  the                                                                    
     decision,  Alaskas  Public  Office  Commission set  the                                                                    
     individual-to-candidate limit at  $1,500. The people of                                                                    
     Alaska must  have a say on  what the limit is,  and new                                                                    
     legislation  is required  unless  we risk  no limit  at                                                                    
     all.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     HB 245  addresses the courts  concerns  by repealing AS                                                                    
     15.13.070(c) and  replacing it  with new  language. The                                                                    
     original  $500  limit  passed  by  71%  approval  among                                                                    
     voters in  2006 is closer  to $700 in  todays  dollars.                                                                    
     HB  245  uses  that  adjustment as  the  new  limit  on                                                                    
     candidates to  the State  House. Limits  on individuals                                                                    
     rise  accordingly  to  $1,000  for  candidates  to  the                                                                    
     Senate, and $1,500 to candidates  for Governor. The new                                                                    
     law  satisfies the  Courts   constitutionality test  by                                                                    
     adjusting for inflation  and differentiating the limits                                                                    
     for different levels of public office.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In  addition to  restoring common-sense  limits on  how                                                                    
     much money  someone can give to  a political candidate,                                                                    
     HB 245  restores an urgently  needed limit on  how much                                                                    
     candidates  can raise  from out-of-state  contributors.                                                                    
     Alaskans   are  highly   attuned  to   the  threat   of                                                                    
     corruption   in   our  state   politics.   Out-of-state                                                                    
     interests sometimes compete  with Alaskan interests and                                                                    
     the will  of the voters.  In order to both  satisfy the                                                                    
     Courts  decision  that the  old non-resident  limit was                                                                    
     unconstitutional   and   fight    the   appearance   of                                                                    
     corruption  in  our  elections,   HB  245  would  limit                                                                    
     candidates to raising  no more than 50%  of their money                                                                    
     from out-of-state.  I urge your support  to bring these                                                                    
     reforms to Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:15:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAX  KOHN, Staff,  Representative  Andy  Josephson, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on   behalf  of  Representative   Josephson,  prime                                                               
sponsor,  provided a  PowerPoint  presentation, titled  "Campaign                                                               
Contribution  Limits"  [hard  copy   included  in  the  committee                                                               
packet].  He began with the  sectional analysis on slide 2, which                                                               
outlined   Section  1   of  HB   245:   contribution  limits   on                                                               
individuals.   He said Section  1 follows the  original framework                                                               
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that  was  struck  down by  the  9   Circuit  Court  of  Appeals.                                                               
Instead  of a  flat $500  limit on  individuals, HB  245 provides                                                               
that an individual can give $700  to a House candidate, $1,000 to                                                               
a Senate  candidate, $1,500 to  a candidate for  governor, $1,000                                                               
to groups  or PACs that  give directly to candidates,  and $5,000                                                               
to political parties.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:16:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN turned  to slide 3, which outlined Section  2 of HB 245:                                                               
Limits on  groups that are  not political parties.   He indicated                                                               
that  Section  2 doubles  the  contributions  limits outlined  in                                                               
section  1; therefore,  a  group  could give  $1,400  to a  House                                                               
candidate, $2,000  to a Senate  candidate, $3,000 to  a candidate                                                               
for  governor,  $2,000  to  groups,   and  $10,000  to  political                                                               
parties.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:17:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN  continued to Section  4 (slide 4): Joint  campaigns for                                                               
governor  and   lieutenant  governor.    He   explained  that  an                                                               
individual could give  $3,000 to a joint campaign,  while a group                                                               
could give $6,000.  Section 5,  he said, pertains to indexing for                                                               
inflation and  Section 6 limits  nonresident contributions  to 50                                                               
percent of a candidates  total  contributions during the campaign                                                               
(slide 5).   He said the rationale for the  50 percent limit came                                                               
from  Ballot  Measure 2  [2020],  which  requires an  independent                                                               
expenditure to  publicly disclose  financial information  if they                                                               
raise more than 50 percent of their money from out of state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:19:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN  highlighted the goal of  HB 245 on slide  6 as follows:                                                               
To maintain the spirit of  previous law and Alaskans  preferences                                                               
as  closely as  possible while  staying  in the  confines of  the                                                               
Constitution.     Combat   corruption  and   the  appearance   of                                                               
corruption in  our elections.    He advanced  to slide  7, titled                                                               
 History of  Campaign Contribution Limits in  Alaska,  which read                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      1974: AK Leg passes $1,000 contribution limit. 1996:                                                                      
       Legislature lowers the limit to $500 to pre-empt a                                                                       
     ballot initiative.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      2003: Legislature raises the limit back to $1,000.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      2006: Ballot initiative passes with 73% support for                                                                       
     limit to be lowered back to $500.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       2021: Thompson v. Hebdon9thCircuit finds Alaska's                                                                        
     $500 limit unconstitutional and APOC reverts to $1,000                                                                     
     + inflation = $1,500.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN proceeded to slide  8, which depicted a timeline of                                                                    
the legislative  history.  Slide  9 provided  the historical                                                                    
limits in  todays  dollars.   He pointed out that  the limit                                                                    
of $1,000  that was passed  in 1974 is equivalent  to $5,900                                                                    
in todays   dollars; further, he highlighted  the 2006 limit                                                                    
of $500, which was passed  by a citizens  ballot initiative,                                                                    
indicating  that  it  would  equate   to  about  $697  after                                                                    
indexing for inflation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:21:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOHN  summarized  slides 10-13,  noting  the  difficulty  of                                                               
comparing  contribution   limits  by  state,  as   the  structure                                                               
typically differs.   He pointed  out that Montanas  law  was also                                                               
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challenged and ended up  in the 9  Circuit Court  of Appeals.  He                                                               
conveyed that the  limits displayed for Montana on  slide 13 were                                                               
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upheld by  the 9   Circuit using  the same  test they  applied to                                                               
Alaska.  He  emphasized that the contribution  limits proposed in                                                               
HB 245 would not be radical compared to other states.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:24:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOHN  summarized  slide  14,  titled   Alaskans  prefer  low                                                               
limits, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        There  have been  two  ballot  initiatives to  lower                                                                    
     limits  and reduce  nonresident influence  over Alaskan                                                                    
     elections.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
             The  1995   initiative  quickly  gained  32,000                                                                    
     signatures and put pressure on  the legislature to pass                                                                    
     a similar bill.                                                                                                            
            The  Anchorage Daily  News published  this quote                                                                    
     at the time:                                                                                                               
              "VECO's  Pete   Leathardsaid   he  fears   the                                                                    
     initiative might diminish the industry's influence."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
       The  2006 Ballot  Initiative went  to the  ballot and                                                                    
     passed with 71% of voters approving the measure.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:24:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN  reviewed APOC disclosures  in the 2018  governors  race                                                               
to independent expenditures on slide 15.   He noted that prior to                                                               
Ballot  Measure  2  [2020],  independent  expenditures  were  not                                                               
regulated and  could accept money  from anywhere in  the country.                                                               
He reported  that in 2018,  71 percent  of the funding  came from                                                               
out-of-state  residents totaling  nearly $5  million, whereas  29                                                               
percent  came  from  Alaska  residents.   He  noted  that  Ballot                                                               
Measure 2  addressed this  problem, adding  that per  the Courts,                                                               
the   legislature  has   less  power   to  regulate   independent                                                               
expenditures  than   it  does  with  contributions   directly  to                                                               
candidates.   Without HB 245,  he said,  independent expenditures                                                               
would be  regulated more than direct  contributions to candidates                                                               
due to the 50 percent disclosure requirement.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:26:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN addressed constitutionality on slide 16, which read as                                                                 
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ? HB  245 passes contribution  limit tests laid  out in                                                                    
     Randall v. Sorrell.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ? The  previous $3,000 aggregate nonresident  limit was                                                                    
     found  unconstitutional.  The  judge's opinion  in  the                                                                    
     case also noted "while we do not foreclose the                                                                             
     possibility  that  a  state  could  limit  out-of-state                                                                    
     contributions  in  furtherance  of  an  anti-corruption                                                                    
     interest, Alaska's aggregate limit  on what a candidate                                                                    
     may receive is a poor fit." (Thompson v. Hebdon)                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.   KOHN  conveyed   the  bill   sponsors   beliefs   that  the                                                               
contribution  limits  are  constitutional; further,  despite  the                                                               
Courts    indication  that   the   $3,000   aggregate  limit   is                                                               
unconstitutional, he  noted that they  have not tested  a similar                                                               
law to the 50 percent requirement.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:28:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN turned to slide 17, titled 9th Circuit Thompson v.                                                                   
Hebdon, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?  The court  considered five  primary factors  for the                                                                    
     contribution limit:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     1. Does  the limit  "significantly restrict  the amount                                                                    
     of   funding   available   for   challengers   to   run                                                                    
     competitive campaigns?" Yes                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2.  Are  political  parties subject  to  the  same  low                                                                    
     limits as individuals? No                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     3. Are  volunteer services counted  toward contribution                                                                    
     limits? No                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     4. Are the limits indexed for inflation? No                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     5. Is  there a "special  justification" for  a uniquely                                                                    
     low limit? No                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN turned to slide 18, titled Constitutionality of this                                                                   
Bill: Limits on Individuals, which read as follows [original                                                                    
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ? 1. Does the limit  "significantly restrict the amount                                                                    
     of   funding   available   for   challengers   to   run                                                                    
     competitive campaigns?" This factor is improved                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ?  2. Are  political parties  subject to  the same  low                                                                    
     limits   as  individuals?   This  factor   was  already                                                                    
     satisfactory                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?   3.   Are    volunteer   services   counted   toward                                                                    
     contribution   limits?   This    factor   was   already                                                                    
     satisfactory                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ? 4.  The limits  are now  indexed for  inflation. This                                                                    
     factor is improved                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ? 5. The  limit is no longer uniquely  low. This factor                                                                    
     is improved                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOHN concluded on slide 19, titled Empirical Evidence,                                                                      
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Empirical studies  have  found  links between  large                                                                    
     contributions and public trust in government.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ? One study  found that "a large  majority of Americans                                                                    
     believe  that the  campaign finance  system contributes                                                                    
     to corruption in government."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ? Perceptions of Corruption  and Campaign Finance: When                                                                    
     Public  Opinion Determines  Constitutional Law,  153 U.                                                                    
     Pa. Law Review 119, 120 (2004)                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
       Another  found that  "members' dependency  on outside                                                                    
     contributions draws  them in  a more  extremely liberal                                                                    
     or  extremely conservative  ideological direction  that                                                                    
     is  counter  to  the  ideological  preferences  of  the                                                                    
     districts they represent."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      ? Getting Short-Changed? The Impact of Outside Money                                                                      
    on   District   Representation,   97   Social   Science                                                                     
     Quarterly                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   KREISS-TOMKINS    invited   additional    comments   from                                                               
Representative Josephson.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON, referencing  a provision  in [SB  155]                                                               
sponsored by  Senator Wielechowski,  suggested that  the governor                                                               
should  not  be  allowed  to solicit  and  receive  contributions                                                               
during  a  legislative  session.   He  indicated  that  he  would                                                               
welcome such an amendment should the committee propose one.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:32:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TARR  agreed   with  the   undue  influence   of                                                               
contributions.    She  expressed  concern  about  the  impact  of                                                               
raising the out-of-state  contribution limit to 50  percent for a                                                               
House  raise  and  inquired  about   the  rationale  behind  that                                                               
provision.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  agreed with her concern.   He explained                                                               
that the intent is to show  deference to the 9th Circuit Court of                                                               
Appeals, as the  Court had been opposed to the  $3,000 limit.  He                                                               
opined that that  its   un-Alaskan  if more than 50  percent of a                                                               
candidates contributions are coming from out of state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:34:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced that HB 245 was held over.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:34:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 245 Sponsor Statement 01.20.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Supporting Document - SCOTUS Thompson v. Hebdon.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Supporting Document - APOC Opinion on Contribution Limits and NCSL Chart.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Supporting Documents - 1996 Ballot Initiative.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 version A.PDF HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Bill Hearing Request 01.20.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Fiscal Note DOA-APOC-01.29.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Letter of Support - Move to Amend 01.31.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 Sectional Analysis 01.20.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 234 v.i Summary of Changes from A to I.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 Version A.PDF HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 v.i Sponsor Statement 01.26.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 Fiscal Note DOA-APOC-01.29.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 Letter of Support - Move to Amend 01.31.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 Supporting Document - APOC 2021 Draft Advisory Opinion.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 v.i Sectional Analysis 01.26.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 PPT Presentation 02.01.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 245 PowerPoint HSTA 02.01.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
HB 245 REVISED PowerPoint HSTA 02.01.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 245
CS HB 234 Version I.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 REVISED PPT Presentation 02.01.22.pdf HSTA 2/1/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 234